In this episode of the podcast, I speak with Leif Cocks of The Orangutan Project, and we talk about why more often than not highlands are protected for conservation areas and lowlands aren't, how orangutans are driven to extinction and we only have 10 years to protect them, and how people need to have both the heart and compassion as well as the knowledge and intelligence to create real meaningful change.  As always, please like, rate, and subscribe to the podcast, and to help Leif, head on over to Orangutan.org and see how you can become involved in Leif's incredible work.