How do you design music education that’s engaging for beginners and experienced users? That’s the challenge Dennis DeSantis faces as head of Ableton’s Learning Team. In this conversation with Craig Schuftan, Dennis talks about the importance of play and interactivity in learning and making music, as well as the value of simplifying complex concepts for beginners. Along the way we hear about his own musical journey, the power of diverse influences and debates around pitch and tuning systems.   Explore further: Learning Music Learning Synths Making Music: 74 Strategies for Electronic Producers by Dennis DeSantis Première Poème Symphonique, György Ligeti 1963 Patrice Rushen - Forget Me Nots (Official Video)  Our Band Could Be Your Life by Michael Azzerad   Keep up with Dennis DeSantis on Instagram, YouTube and via his website.   Tell us what you think of this episode: doingmusic@ableton.com Doing Music is brought to you by Ableton. Follow us on TikTok and Instagram.