I’m Josh Cooperman and this is Doctoring Up Design, the official podcast of Design Hardware with a continuation of the last episode. Resetting the scene for you. In the last episode of the podcast, we were speaking with HMC Architects, Kirk Rose and James Krueger about the thought and elements behind designing for safety and security. The world can be a dangerous place and there is an ongoing conversation about safety in design. The one thing that you can count on is the need to put a priority on designing for the unthinkable.The conversation you are about to hear is a continuation of these ideas and it includes, Kirk Rose, Healthcare Practice Leader at HMC as well as Sergio Lechuga, Director of Interior Design at HMC. We met in person at Design Hardware and to check out some of the video clips of our conversation, please go to @DesignHardwareandflooring on Instagram. We are going to get to the conversation, right after this.Thank you Kirk and Sergio for your time and expertise, thank you Bruce Boul with HMC for making this incredible conversation happen. Thank you Michele Solomons and Avi Balsam with Design Hardware for your continued and unwavering support of the design and architecture community. And thank you for listening to the podcast. I love hearing from you, love learning about new products and guests you think should be featured on the podcast, so email me, convobydesign@outlook.com with ideas and suggestions. Until the next episode, be well.