In this fascinating deep-dive, we explore the mystical and magical world of Joseph Smith, the founder of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, through the lens of his lesser-known tools and practices. Long before temples and testimonies, Joseph was a treasure seeker and mystic operating in early 19th-century America—a time teeming with folk magic, visionary experiences, and supernatural beliefs.

We examine a range of esoteric objects associated with him and his family: the Jupiter talisman, moon dagger, seer stones, magical parchments, red silk handkerchief, and even his snake cane. We trace their historical origins, intended uses, and spiritual significance within the magical subculture of frontier America.

Listeners will learn about Luman Walters, the occult mentor said to have influenced the Smith family, as well as how crystal gazing, amulets, and ritual magic shaped the early theology and visions that became foundational to the LDS movement.

We also tackle the controversial possibility of psychoactive substances—like magic mushrooms—being linked to some of the mystical experiences and visionary revelations. Throughout the episode, we compare folk traditions, biblical references, and spiritual practices to paint a fuller picture of this mystical past.

Finally, we discuss how the modern LDS Church grapples with these magical origins—whether by distancing, reframing, or remaining silent.

This episode is rich with folklore, historical analysis, theological reflection, and spiritual insight—perfect for curious seekers, thoughtful skeptics, and believers alike.

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