In the second half of my conversation with my sweet sister, Karlene Kantner, we pick up our reflections, this time talking about imagination and its relationship to the themes we discussed last week. Karlene beautifully reads and analyzes a rarely appreciated poem and, weaving the threads of our whole conversation together, Karlene and I work to articulate a "third way" of being that accounts for a fullness of dignity and a more just society. Grab a cup of coffee. We're talkin' about a revolution of love.

One of my favorite things about my conversation with Karlene is the natural love she models for others, whether they be people, animals, or the natural world. She has a way of relating to people that I might call "anti-defensiveness": her relationships are an intentional practice and she treats people beginning, not with skepticism or transaction, but with deep love and respect. My conversation with Karlene treats love as the foundation of human interaction, which is something we can all learn from.