In this episode of the DevSecOps podcast, hosts Tom, Scotty, and James from Cordant are joined by experienced project manager Natalie Haslam to explore the complexities of delivering cybersecurity projects. Natalie highlights the crucial role of human factors in security, emphasising the need for awareness and adherence to protocols. The discussion covers the importance of involving operational teams early, managing cybersecurity incidents during project delivery, and balancing governance with agility. The team also examines project management methodologies, debating agile versus waterfall approaches and the benefits of a hybrid mode, and the value of stakeholder engagement, advocating for clear communication to secure buy-in and drive successful cyber initiatives.