As part of a series of conversations with professionals and scholars in the field of media, in this episode I sit down with Anna de Beus (owner, Backbone Film Collective) and Rosan Boersma (film producer and owner of Rosans), who together in 2024 founded the organisation Cinemind to promote and support mental health in the Dutch film industry.

Key issues in our conversation include coping with what they consider a 'circus existence' as a precariously employed worker in film and TV, the mismatch between people's dreams about their work and the competitive nature of the industry, and the need to create space for difficult conversations during a shoot - not just afterwards.

These interviews in part support the publication of my book (titled: Well-Being and Creative Careers: What Makes You Happy Can Also Make You Sick, out late 2025 with Intellect) on health, well-being and happiness in media work, and to showcase and celebrate the work so many people around the world are doing to advocate and promote these issues in media workplaces.Please follow, leave a comment, and check more updates on my Substack (markdeuze.substack.com).