In this episode, William Tincup is joined by Deborah Hanus, the founder and CEO of Sparrow, an HR technology company focused on improving the leave management process. Tim Sackett, an HR analyst and president at HRU Tech, also joins the conversation. The discussion centers around DEI in the workplace. Deborah shares how she built Sparrow with a strong foundation in DEI. The conversation covers topics such as unconscious bias, the importance of hiring for culture fit, the potential pitfalls of DEI efforts, and the need for ongoing measurement to track progress. Tim and Deborah emphasize the significance of intention and measurement in DEI initiatives. Tim emphasizes the need for clear measures of success in every role. Deborah stresses the importance of building DEI into company systems and diligently monitoring progress.