We sat down with Rev. Benjamin Cremer, writer, pastor, and creator of Into the Gray, to talk about what it looks like to hold sacred anger with open hands. This conversation stretched from “What if I’m wrong?” to “How do we keep from passing our pain along?” We talked about retributive vs. restorative justice, how lament can heal our nervous systems, and why gentleness might just be the most radical form of resistance. Ben reminded us that curiosity is a spiritual practice, lament is a sacred...
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We sat down with Rev. Benjamin Cremer, writer, pastor, and creator of Into the Gray, to talk about what it looks like to hold sacred anger with open hands. This conversation stretched from “What if I’m wrong?” to “How do we keep from passing our pain along?” We talked about retributive vs. restorative justice, how lament can heal our nervous systems, and why gentleness might just be the most radical form of resistance. Ben reminded us that curiosity is a spiritual practice, lament is a sacred...
The Sacred Fog of the In-Between - Lizz Enns Petters & Esther Joy Goetz
Deconstructing Mamas
55 minutes
4 weeks ago
The Sacred Fog of the In-Between - Lizz Enns Petters & Esther Joy Goetz
In this week’s episode, Lizz and Esther talk about the in-between—that blurry stretch between certainty and freedom. We talk about control and compassion, about nervous systems that don’t need theology as much as safety, and about finding community outside the old walls of church. We don’t have tidy answers (we’ve tried those before). But we do have a few anchors for the fog. Anchors for the In-Between When the old ways of praying, believing, or belonging don’t work anymore—start here: Tree ...
Deconstructing Mamas
We sat down with Rev. Benjamin Cremer, writer, pastor, and creator of Into the Gray, to talk about what it looks like to hold sacred anger with open hands. This conversation stretched from “What if I’m wrong?” to “How do we keep from passing our pain along?” We talked about retributive vs. restorative justice, how lament can heal our nervous systems, and why gentleness might just be the most radical form of resistance. Ben reminded us that curiosity is a spiritual practice, lament is a sacred...
