Today, we are learning from Elif Kuş Saillard.



Elif, a sociologist and methodologist, is a scientist of "understanding." With over two decades of expertise in qualitative methodologies and Computer Aided Qualitative Data Analysis (CAQDAS), she founded the NAM Qualitative Research Center in Istanbul in 2013, training many social science researchers globally.



Elif developed the "Meaningful Experience Model" to help organizations and individuals cultivate meaningful experiences. Her pioneering "Understanding Leadership" program unlocks the superpower of understanding, promoting consensus and overcoming polarization. Through this work, she aims to contribute to a sustainable future by helping people enhance their understanding, fostering a more connected and harmonious world.



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The 4 bodies model by Elif Kus Saillard:











In this conversation with Elif Kuş Saillard, I learned:




* 00:00 Intro



* 04:05 A deep dive into the deepest assumptions.



* 05:40 This is how the four-body model started.



* 07:20 The three bodies of Arawana Hayashi: our physical body, the earth body, and the social body.



* 10:05 The division between science and technology and the research of Federica Russo.



* 14:00 The contradiction of Elif: seeing technology as a tool and mentioning that technology is empowering.



* 15:10 The four-body image became clear: technology is the fourth body. Once we create a tool, it will be with us.



* 18:35 Humans are the only species that can't survive without technology.



* 18:55 Every time we add a new technology, we are amputating a part of our body.



* 21:10 All four bodies work in a harmonious way.



* 23:55 All the historic evidence that we have exists thanks to technology.



* 24:15 From a discovery in southern Turkey, we found that spirituality existed before agriculture.



* 26:00 The question is not whether it is new technology or not. The question is how to integrate the new technology.



* 28:00 In physics, we know now that nothing is solid.



* 29:30 The social body of a Turkish coffee cup.



* 32:40 The problem of knowledge and AI is the amputation of complexity.



* 35:45 We need to cultivate, human first. That is why the Inner Development Goals are important.



* 39:00 Urgent homework: to space to integrate AI in daily work, be a good model and give back, teach the way that is ethical and good integration.



* 43:20 We constantly put guilt on the younger generation because they spend a lot of time in the techno body.



* 43:40 The adolescent time is when the social body is developing.



* 46:15 Your whole body is good and important, and cultivate all of them.



* 49:00 Negative thinking [about technology] is a paraliser. Start by acknowledging that technology is beneficial, and then examine the challenges associated with integration.



* 51:55 The update of the IDG framework in 2025 to make it global.



* 53:44 The challenge with 22.000 text replies in all kinds of languages.



* 55:45 Twenty regions/countries were involved in the analysis process.



* 56:35 First prototyping in Caux at the IDG forum of the IDG framewo...