In Episode 41, Debra and Peter start with a surprise escape story featuring Peter’s cat Hetti, but quickly turn to a much bigger theme: trust. From mischievous pets to newly promoted staff, they reflect on how leaders know when to let go and how to find the right balance between support and autonomy.Debra shares why she prefers hiring for potential rather than experience, and why the 50th anniversary of DSC is a good time to remember—and question—your founding principles.Then, a fiery segment on meetings, sparked by England cricket captain Harry Brook’s comment that meetings are a waste of time. Debra is having none of it. The hosts explore how meetings are actually crucial to effective leadership, team building and problem solving. Expect talk of De Bono’s Six Hats, appreciative inquiry and “what if” thinking.Finally, they wade into the eternal debate: are there too many charities? Debra and Peter offer a firm defence of choice, diversity and grassroots energy, arguing that the sector’s complexity is a strength, not a flaw.Plus: cricket, cats and a few gentle digs at Thames Water.YouTube Subscribe: https://YouTube.com/@DSCOnline More Debra Allcock Tyler: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/ More Peter Wanless: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.uk Podcast Producer: Gabby Poznansky