Debra recounts her journey (literally and metaphorically) to Leeds, where she gave a keynote to Yorkshire Funders. She dives into why funders must speak up more often, not to demand money but to influence change. Peter reflects on his own time at the Lottery and reinforces how insights from grantmakers can shape public policy in ways that quietly transform lives. The conversation then unpacks the obsession with short-term impact. What if some of the most meaningful change takes decades to surface? From the legacy of Sure Start to the language of transformational vs transactional funding, it’s a rich discussion that challenges the status quo. They also talk about leadership and culture: how big vs small organisations handle remote work, staff connection, and that classic "who looks taller in real life" moment. From all-staff quizzes to serious reflections on hybrid working, it’s thoughtful and funny in equal measure. Plus: Peter is moving house (with four cats) and Debra still isn’t over being mistaken for a lace-tablecloth enthusiast. Subscribe and don’t miss the next episode!YouTube Subscribe: https://YouTube.com/@DSCOnlineMore Debra Allcock Tyler: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debra-allcock-tyler-8013214/More Peter Wanless: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sir-peter-wanless-b43aa372/Produced by: Directory of Social Change https://www.dsc.org.ukPodcast Producer: José Blazquez