Data is a key piece of how communities make claims on rights and resources—and the absence of data can make that claims making process difficult. In this episode, host Madhuri Karak speaks with Jose Luis Rengifo, the director of the Process of Black Communities (PCN) and Omaira Bolaños, the director of the Latin America and Gender Justice Programs at Rights and Resources Initiative (RRI). Jose Luis and Omaira are two representatives of a decades-long coalition effort seeking territorial rights for Afro-descendant communities across the Caribbean and Latin America.