The Threshold of the Spirit: How Do We Step Across?

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Dark Night Podcast

Nemr Institute

11 episodes

2 days ago

Join tap dance artist Andrew Nemr and pastor Mike Freeman as they explore Dark Night of the Soul by St. John of the Cross. This common human experience strips away what we use to orient ourselves in the world, often leaving us feeling lost and confused-but also inviting us to endure. These conversations were part of Andrew's preparation for a 12-hour improvised tap dance performance. The podcast is part of the Dark Night Project presented by Nemr Institute and KalosWorks.org, made possible by generous partners and supporters.

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The Threshold of the Spirit: How Do We Step Across? | Ep. 5

Dark Night Podcast

1 hour 2 minutes 28 seconds

1 month ago

The Threshold of the Spirit: How Do We Step Across? | Ep. 5

In this episode, Andrew and Mike explore Jonah’s descent as a living metaphor for the Dark Night of the Soul. Drawing from scripture, Hebrew insights, and personal stories, they unpack themes of purgation, endurance, stripping away, and the tension between punishment and transformation. The conversation wrestles with what it means to be swallowed by darkness, where God is in those moments, and how surrender and the choice to endure open the way forward.

Reading: Book I chapters 12-14

00:00 Introduction to The Dark Night Podcast

03:05 Exploring St. John of the Cross

07:44 Jonah and the Dark Night

09:51 The Descent of Jonah

12:19 Jonah's Prayer and Reflection

27:03 The Pregnant Fish and Spiritual Formation

32:16 The Significance of the Jonah Story

38:26 The Role of Spiritual Practices

47:31 The Dichotomy of Achievement and Spiritual Formation

01:01:42 Conclusion and Reflections