Descent Before Ascent: How Do We Trust the Hidden Guide?

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Dark Night Podcast

Nemr Institute

11 episodes

6 days ago

Join tap dance artist Andrew Nemr and pastor Mike Freeman as they explore Dark Night of the Soul by St. John of the Cross. This common human experience strips away what we use to orient ourselves in the world, often leaving us feeling lost and confused-but also inviting us to endure. These conversations were part of Andrew's preparation for a 12-hour improvised tap dance performance. The podcast is part of the Dark Night Project presented by Nemr Institute and KalosWorks.org, made possible by generous partners and supporters.

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Descent Before Ascent: How Do We Trust the Hidden Guide? | Ep. 10

Dark Night Podcast

1 hour 5 minutes 4 seconds

2 weeks ago

Descent Before Ascent: How Do We Trust the Hidden Guide? | Ep. 10

In this episode, Andrew and Mike continue through The Dark Night of the Soul (Book Two, Chapters 16–18). They reflect on John’s “secret, secure ladder” and what it means to be led where sight can’t go, when memory fades, senses are stilled, and understanding grows quiet. Through scripture and lived experience, they explore unknowing as a path of love, learning to trust God’s hidden guidance more than effort, explanation, or control.

Book II chapters 16-18

00:00 Introduction to The Dark Night Podcast

02:14 The Essence of Spiritual Progress

07:17 Exploring the Poem: Dark Night of the Soul

16:56 The Concept of Beginner's Mind

22:31 The Universal Path of Emptiness and Fulfillment

33:48 The Descent and Dark Night of the Soul

41:14 Theological Constructs and Free Floating Journeys

58:36 The Role of Love and Community in the Dark Night

01:03:34 Final Thoughts