As far as childhood pissing contests go, having a dad in the army is hard to beat. While other fathers are yawning their way through paperwork, your pops is flying helicopters or jumping out of them. But, as we grow up, visions of 'Top Gun' glory can morph into the 'Thin Red Line': we go from war is FUN to war is hard and brutal and boring and thrilling and... COMPLICATED.

Two men, two fathers who know this better than most are Ben Pronk and Tim Curtis. Co-hosts of the Unforgiving60 podcast, they're veterans of the Australian Defence Force's elite Special Air Service Regiment (SAS). Now globetrotting crisis management consultants, Ben and Tim both grew up in military households then tried their hands at the trade.

From dawn raids in Afghanistan to raising kids in suburban Perth, these fellas know how quickly life can change. Will Dr Tom and Jump Daddy be ready for a paradigm shift?

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