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What if being a “man” had nothing to do with bench press numbers or beard length—and everything to do with becoming a safe place?

In this vulnerable and soul-stirring episode, Jerrad sits down with Brant Hansen to talk about what it really means to be a man. From playing the flute and battling shame to protecting the vulnerable and bringing peace to your home, Brant flips the typical narrative of masculinity on its head.

They unpack the ache many men feel to be better, why muscle doesn’t equal maturity, and how a man’s deepest strength might just be his gentleness. Brant shares the heart behind his book The Men We Need, what it means to be a “keeper of the garden,” and how every man, no matter his story, can begin again.

This one gets deep fast.

What You’ll Learn:

• Why your presence is more than physical proximity
• How spiritual formation leads to true masculinity
• Why “being strong” often looks like tenderness
• What your tone of voice says about the kind of man you are
• The one vision for manhood that could reshape your home
• How to become a non-anxious presence for your wife and kids
• Why it’s never too late to pivot and become the man God’s calling you to be

Mentioned in This Episode:

• Brant’s book: The Men We Need
• The Hebrew word for God’s covering in Eden—“royal garments”
• Lamentations 3 and Philippians 4 as anchors for anxious men
• Bible Memory App for rewiring shame loops
• The “Keeper of the Garden” vision of masculinity
• How passive men still make their homes unsafe

🔗 Resources:

• Book Jerrad to speak: https://www.jerradlopes.com
• Grab Dad Tired and Loving It: https://amzn.to/3YTz4GB
• Get Brant’s book The Men We Need
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