"If you've never walked through the woods listening to Nobody Beats the Biz then you ain't never heard hip-hop." The above quote is from one of multi-talented poet/rapper/actor Saul Williams' earliest released tracks, but it could just easily serve as a thesis statement for this podcast. This week DBRP hosts Demone Carter, David Ma and Nate LeBlanc are thrilled to present a thought provoking conversation with Williams. We touch on his recorded work, his training, his acting in movies like the recent phenomenon Sinners, and his general artistic outlook. Saul is a deeply reverent hip-hop head who grew up in the genre but is also not afraid to experiment in an attempt to transcend its strictures. We found his responses to be enlightening, and we hope you feel the same. As always, if you would like to hear an extended version of this episode with music clips for the tracks referenced, please consider joining our Patreon at www.patreon.com/dadbodrappod DBRP is a proud member of the Stony Island Audio podcast network, run by another charismatic multi-hyphenate. Catch Open Mike Eagle on tour now in a city near you!