In this show, Nathan and Francesco discuss the start in application security, how to mentor new interns and bridge the skillgap and how to measure application security progress when deploying shift left methodologies in devsecops  The episode is brought to you by Phoenix Security; get in control of your vulnerabilities from code to cloud with the power of Phoenix. ACT Now on the most important vulnerabilities and reduce your exposure to modern attacks. See it for yourself. Go to https://www.phoenix.security for a free 14-day licence.