The Counselling Tutor podcast serves current and prospective students of counselling and psychotherapy, as well as qualified practitioners, supervisors and tutors. Rory Lees-Oakes and Ken Kelly examine the theory and practice of counselling and deliver academic, practice-based and CPD-related content in an easy-to-understand and fun podcast.
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The Counselling Tutor podcast serves current and prospective students of counselling and psychotherapy, as well as qualified practitioners, supervisors and tutors. Rory Lees-Oakes and Ken Kelly examine the theory and practice of counselling and deliver academic, practice-based and CPD-related content in an easy-to-understand and fun podcast.
Students and practitioners of person-centred counselling, transactional analysis (TA) and behavioural models (e.g. CBT) will find something relevant to their studies and work on the Counselling Tutor podcast.
Domestic Abuse Awareness – Why a Year of Skills Training Matters
In Episode 346 of the Counselling Tutor Podcast, your hosts Rory Lees-Oakes and Ken Kelly take us through this week’s three topics:
Firstly, in ‘Ethical, Sustainable Practice’, they explore trauma-informed practice, focusing specifically on triangulation and trauma — how this hidden dynamic shows up in therapy and why recognising it is vital for working safely and effectively with clients.
Then in ‘Practice Matters’, Rory speaks with Mel Ciavucco, a counsellor, trainer, and specialist in domestic abuse, about her new CPD lecture, Domestic Abuse Awareness. They discuss working with both survivors and perpetrators, how coercive control operates, and the importance of understanding abuse through an intersectional lens.
And finally, in ‘Student Services’, Rory and Ken explore why formal counselling training includes a full year focused entirely on counselling skills. They explain how these foundational skills form the bedrock of all therapeutic work and how they support students in becoming confident, competent practitioners.
Triangulation and Trauma [starts at 03:49 mins]
In this section, Rory and Ken explore triangulation and trauma, highlighting how this relational dynamic is often rooted in childhood experiences.
Key points discussed include:
Triangulation involves bringing a third party into a relationship to manage tension or avoid conflict.
It can result in anxiety, hidden trauma, and ongoing relational difficulties if not recognised and addressed.
Clients may unconsciously replay triangulation dynamics in therapy, such as trying to get the therapist to “side” with them.
Working through triangulation requires consistency, boundaries, and an understanding of attachment repair.
Therapists should avoid prematurely disrupting these dynamics without fully understanding their protective role.
Domestic Abuse Awareness [starts at 32:58 mins]
In this week’s ‘Practice Matters’, Rory speaks with Mel Ciavucco, who draws from years of experience working with domestic abuse survivors and perpetrators.
Neurodivergence (like ADHD or autism) can sometimes contribute to harmful behaviours, though not excuse them.
Perpetrator work is focused on supporting survivors by addressing the root causes of abuse.
Therapists often fear working with perpetrators - but change is possible with the right approach and supervision.
The Jane Monckton Smith homicide timeline is introduced as a powerful tool for risk assessment and understanding escalation.
An intersectional approach is vital - Mel speaks about LGBTQ+ clients, gender-based violence, and inclusive practice.
Why a Year of Skills Training Matters [starts at 1:04:38 mins]
In this section, Rory and Ken explain the rationale behind dedicating an entire year of counselling training to developing core counselling skills.
Key points include:
Skills like active listening, reflection, and silence are often life-changing for students - not just for thera...
Counselling Tutor
The Counselling Tutor podcast serves current and prospective students of counselling and psychotherapy, as well as qualified practitioners, supervisors and tutors. Rory Lees-Oakes and Ken Kelly examine the theory and practice of counselling and deliver academic, practice-based and CPD-related content in an easy-to-understand and fun podcast.
Students and practitioners of person-centred counselling, transactional analysis (TA) and behavioural models (e.g. CBT) will find something relevant to their studies and work on the Counselling Tutor podcast.