In this episode of Conversations of Agile Change, host Lena Ross from the Agile Change Leadership Institute sits down with Kathy Piestrzynski, an accomplished leader in organizational change and program management. Kathy shares her journey into the world of change management, discussing how her curiosity and project-oriented mindset led her to become a head of change. The conversation explores her transition from traditional change practices to more agile methodologies, including the innovative use of journey maps over heat maps to better navigate change experiences. Kathy offers valuable insights on the importance of engaging stakeholders through visual management and the power of reflective practice within teams. She also shares practical advice for change practitioners on how to experiment with and apply agile principles effectively in their organizations. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in learning how to lead change with agility and resilience.