In this episode from the DMM Connect gathering in Northland, NZ, Keith and Joy share their journey from serving as missionaries in Thailand to how God called them to continue living on mission back home in New Zealand. They unpack how they have been able to live missionally in their own context using simple, reproducible tools.



Learning to have Spiritual Conversations (Four Quadrants)



A key turning point was learning how to have spiritual conversations using the Four Quadrants (casual → meaningful → spiritual → discovery). This changed how they connected with people in their local community.



Joy reflects on John 4—Jesus' conversation with the woman at the well—and how He took this Samaritan woman on a spiritual journey as a person of peace to her community. Likewise, Keith and Joy have seen everyday people (like 'Ruth', a young woman from a local market) discover Jesus and share Him with others.



Jesus' strategy when sending out his disciples



Keith emphasises how engaging in the harvest as key to transformation—shifting from theory to practice, from "come" to "go." We listen in as the room explores these 4 scriptures where Jesus sends His disciples out:




Mark 6:7–13



Luke 9:1–6



Matthew 9:36–10:16



Luke 10:1–11




These passages show that Jesus had compassion on the lost and taught His followers to beseech (or beg) God for workers—not for the harvest itself (which is already plentiful), but for more harvesters. It’s a key strategy of prayer that Jesus gave twice in the gospels. We know the Lords Prayer but this is another prayer Jesus commanded his disciples to pray.



Keith reflects on Matthew 9:35-38...



“We’ve all prayed for the harvest. But in a way, this is the wrong way to pray. Jesus is telling us the harvest is already great. What we’re imploring Him for is the workers. It’s like Jesus is healing the sick and then steps back and looks at the large crowd and realises that a different approach is needed… Even Jesus realised that it couldn’t be a one-man show. He needed a team to do what He did.”



In the group discussion, we hear reflections on how traditional models often extract people from their communities to come to church. But Jesus modeled something different: staying with those who welcome you. Like the woman at the well, insiders can reach their whole communities more effectively than outsiders can.



A final challenge




"In a culture of ‘come,’ we’ve made the lost person into the missionary (they have to leave their comfort zone to come to church). But ‘come’ is the enemy of ‘go,’ and addition is the enemy of multiplication.” – Raj (quoting those like Jim Britts)








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