Had the pleasure to speak with Shawn and Roger about their meditation experiences, thoughts about psychedelics and the models they use to map spiritual progress.  

Their website:  https://meditative.dev/web/   

Website: http://www.lauritzm.com/

Donations: https://www.paypal.me/lauritzmq 

00:00:00 - Intro 

00:05:09 - How they got started with meditation 

00:09:00 - What's a good vision for the path? 

00:14:45 - Their current practices 

00:20:00 - What makes the selfless perspective so pleasant 

00:24:40 - How the sense of self is constructed 

00:31:45 - Models of the path 

00:35:30 - The role of emotions and joy in meditation 

00:42:30 - Retreats vs. everyday practice 

00:50:55 - Low doses of psychedelics and practice 

01:04:30 - Projects Shawn and Roger are currently working on 

01:19:08 - Jhana practice 

01:26:16 - Final thoughts, links and resources