What if leadership felt more like music?

In this episode, we sit down with Greg Thomas and Jewel Kinch-Thomas, founders of the Jazz Leadership Project, to explore how the principles of jazz can transform the way we lead, listen, and collaborate.

Greg and Jewel reveal how jazz serves as a cultural technology for connection.

We explore how empathy, attunement, and psychological safety become the rhythm section of every great team — and why true leadership doesn’t mean taking center stage, but knowing when to let someone else solo.

Because whether you’re leading a company, a classroom, or a conversation…

if it ain’t got that swing — it just doesn’t connect.