Recorded on February 22, 2022.

Three years later - and with apologies and love - this episode is now released and freely available to the world. Meet Dr. and Reverend Sue Rubin, my long-time spiritual sister, friend, teacher, mentor, and mother...one of the wisest people I know with more insight than ever to offer as we go deeper into our hearts and minds in 2025.

Back in 2022, I asked and Sue granted me an interview post-Covid and post-Trump (term one), as I wondered how to contend with the effects of an increasingly wild and divided political and social landscape. I have followed her teachings across continents for the better part of over 30 years. Sue's perspective was one I wanted to capture in a recorded snapshot in time.

Sue Rubin continues to teach and preach as a guest minister in the traditions of Science of Mind from and near Westlake, California. Her message is complex, simple, beautiful, and one that recognizes and holds the Oneness of all. I couldn't possibly put words to incredible ways as a spiritual being and orator except to say she caught my heart long ago with her humor, storytelling, deep insights into the nature of people, love of the world, and capacity to find wisdom in all faiths and situations.

We got together over a Zoom call - she in California and I in Saudi Arabia - and we discussed the world post Covid and post-Trump, in the wake of a newly started war in Ukraine with Russia.

Now Trump has returned (Sue predicted this) and the wars of the world continue to invoke the question: how do we live through such times?

Listen and find hope from my dear friend who turns 97 on March 1st, 2025.

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