In this episode, we talk about dumb stuff and why it is good!!! (*We define “dumb stuff” as an inherently anti-capitalist way of living & working that is, at its core, A. existing how you want to, B. doing things that align with your own values that are usually C. in opposition to more widely-held societal ideals.) Hiller Goodspeed joins us to discuss picking through the garbage, to defend intentional slowness, and to rejoice over our shared love of doing dumb stuff all the time.