Our brilliant mind this week is pastor (and fellow podcaster!) Rev. Dr. Charlene Han Powell. She and Jacob talk about their formative days together at Fifth Avenue Presbyterian in NYC, the joys and challenges of going back to school (again), and the contrasts between congregations and ministry in New York, California, and Virginia. Charlene shares how her great-grandfather's experience as one of the first ordained Presbyterian ministers in Korea inspires her to embrace riskiness in ministry, and how Barbara Brown Taylor showed her how to strive for a ministry that can focus on one person at a time.

Rev. Han Powell is the Senior Pastor of First Presbyterian Church of Berkeley, CA and the co-host of the podcast This Is Crucial.