Dr. M Jackson is a glaciologist, geographer, and National Geographic Explorer, with a number of public talks, award winning books and a Netflix show to her name. She advocates for a nuanced view of the future, embracing both positive and negative aspects, and stresses the need for adaptability and resilience in addressing climate change. In this episode, M talks with Kim about the interconnectedness of personal and environmental grief and the importance of finding the communication medium that works best for you.

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