In this episode from my time at the Creative Bureaucracy Festival, I sit down with Dr. Alex Ryan to unpack some of the key insights from the recent gathering of the States of Change Network. Alex shares three powerful tensions the group explored—tensions that could shape how we respond to the unravelling of key systems in our society. From the future of democracy to the role of institutions, this conversation is a thought-provoking look at what comes next and how changemakers can navigate complexity with care and courage. This one’s for anyone thinking deeply about public sector innovation, systems change, and the kind of leadership the future demands. 🎧 Subscribe for more conversations from the frontlines of Creative Bureaucracy.