What happens when a mega church pastor publicly lashes out at a video series exposing how the church has been co-opted by power and profit? In this episode, the creators of The Religion Business, Nathan Apffel and Chris Ayoub, sit down to respond to Russell B. Johnson's social media allegations against them. Not with outrage, but to bring clarity. Nothing is off the table in this honest and direct conversation.* Russell Johnson was invited to join this conversation but declined. Here is is official statement: “I think Nathan is wrong regarding the conclusions he’s reached about tithing. but he’s been an entertaining person to go back and forth with on social media. Ruslan offered to moderate a debate, happy to do it.”Be one of the first people to watch the Religion Business docu-series and get 10% HERE: https://www.thereligionbusiness.com/purchase/JEFFC83 WATCH our original interview about the docu-series here: https://youtu.be/gNlwIC7xwOAFind out more about the Spiritual Abuse Institute and the Church Disrupted Podcast at https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/.Want to support SAI financially?https://donorbox.org/sai-initial-funding-campaignJoin the church disrupted COMMUNITY here: https://discord.gg/nbWwg8Sz6ZLearn more about the Safe Church Pledge Here: https://www.spiritualabuse.institute/safechurchpledgeCheck out our Awareness Apparel HERE: https://church-disrupted.sellfy.storePlease Subscribe and Share!Fair Use Disclaimer:This video may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. All clips used are protected by the Fair Use Doctrine within Title 17 of the United States Code. This doctrine safeguards the use of copyrighted material for transformative purposes, such as commentary, criticism, review and news reporting. Under Title 17 U.S.C. § 512(f), any person who makes a false, bad faith, or misleading copyright claim or uses a copyright takedown to infringe on free speech, criticism, or commentary can be held liable for damages to the content creator.Hosseinzadeh v. Klein, 276 F.Supp.3d 34 (S.D.N.Y. 2017); Equals Three, LLC v. Jukin Media, Inc., 139 F. Supp. 3d 1094 (C.D. Cal. 2015).