Any chance you've also accidentally become a football fan the last few months??

I brought my resident sports expert, Ian Starkman, on to talk about the brilliance of football, how it creates community and belonging, and why it's awesome that Taylor's in the mix.

Even if football, or Taylor Swift, isn't your bag, you might still dig this conversation. We jump into why having interests is so important to life, why it's more than 'just a game' and the beauty of storytelling through sports.

And do yourself a favour and check out Ian's podcast episodes here: Juuust A Bit Outside Podcast

Big thanks to Ian Starkman for such a fun, interesting and really meaningful overview of all things football!