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Kevin Bardosh sits down with Barbara Katz Rothman, a professor of medical sociology and women's studies at City University of New York. Prof. Rothman is the author of the 2021 book, The Biomedical Empire: Lessons Learned from the Covid-19 Pandemic. We discuss her latest book, birth and death during Covid, and different concepts of medical power. Can we really speak about biomedicine today as a global "empire"? And, if so, what are the implications of this for future pandemic response?