In this insightful and deeply personal conversation, Kevin Rice sits down with Kyle Lacey, CMO of Docebo, to explore the realities of leading in high-growth marketing while navigating the demands of fatherhood and family life. Kyle opens up about the early lessons that shaped his career in B2B marketing, including why “presence, not balance” has become his guiding principle. He reflects on the concept of “head trash”, the inner dialogue that often holds leaders back, and how sobriety, exercise, and intentional choices helped him reshape both his personal and professional life. Together, Kevin and Kyle unpack the challenges of building a thriving career while showing up fully at home. Kyle shares how becoming a father transformed his perspective on leadership, the importance of open communication with family, and the courage it takes to step back when life demands it. He also reveals what it really means to own a revenue number as a marketer, and how he hopes to pass on lessons of hard work, passion, and resilience to his children. Whether you’re managing burnout, climbing the next rung in your career, or striving to be more intentional with your family, Kyle’s story is full of honesty, reflection, and practical wisdom you can apply today. In this episode, you’ll learn: • Why presence matters more than balance in work and life • How “head trash” affects leaders and how to move past it • The role sobriety and exercise can play in sustaining personal growth • Why taking time off can make you a stronger parent and leader • The value of owning a revenue number in marketing • How open communication at home strengthens leadership at work • Why it’s okay to love what you do, even when it’s hard • What lessons Kyle hopes his children carry into adulthood Top Takeaways: • Leadership starts with presence and self-awareness • Burnout can be a turning point for growth if managed with intention • Family time becomes meaningful when it’s protected and planned • Sobriety and healthy habits are game changers for resilience • Teaching children the value of hard work and passion is part of legacy   About Kyle Lacey: Kyle Lacey is the Chief Marketing Officer at Docebo, a leading learning platform redefining enterprise education. With a career spanning high-growth SaaS and B2B marketing, Kyle is passionate about building brands, owning revenue, and developing high-performing teams. Beyond the office, he’s a dedicated husband and father who believes leadership isn’t just about business, it’s about showing up with presence, honesty, and intention in every aspect of life.