Investor Shayle Kann is asking big questions about how to decarbonize the planet: How cheap can clean energy get? Will artificial intelligence speed up climate solutions? Where is the smart money going into climate technologies? Every week on Catalyst, Shayle explains the world of climate tech with prominent experts, investors, researchers, and executives. Produced by Latitude Media.
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Investor Shayle Kann is asking big questions about how to decarbonize the planet: How cheap can clean energy get? Will artificial intelligence speed up climate solutions? Where is the smart money going into climate technologies? Every week on Catalyst, Shayle explains the world of climate tech with prominent experts, investors, researchers, and executives. Produced by Latitude Media.
A few years ago, industry and political leaders embraced hydrogen as a solution to a laundry list of hard-to-abate decarbonization challenges — steel production, ammonia production, and more. But hydrogen failed to come down in costs and policymakers pulled back support. Ultimately, the bubble burst.
So what does it take to drive down the costs of low-carbon hydrogen and rebuild momentum?
In this episode, Shayle talks to Raffi Garabedian, co-founder and CEO of Electric Hydrogen. (Shayle is on the board of Electric Hydrogen and Energy Impact Partners, where Shayle is a partner, invests in the company). Shayle and Raffi cover topics like:
Why the hype bubble burst: political pullback, high renewables costs driven by AI demand, and high CapEx
The real cost problem: Why engineering, procurement, and construction (EPC) costs have remained persistently high
Competing approaches: Why Electric Hydrogen chose supersized electrolyzers over modular units
The China question: Why hydrogen’s EPC costs will limit the impact of cheap Chinese electrolyzers
Real numbers: Realistic cost targets for fossil parity and Electric Hydrogen’s current pricing
Where hydrogen wins: Markets where Raffi says green hydrogen can achieve fossil parity by the early 2030s, including Brazilian fertilizer
Resources:
Latitude Media: is 45v guidance killing green hydrogen production?
The Green Blueprint: Electric Hydrogen’s bet on supersized electrolyzers
Latitude Media: Electric Hydrogen is building through the market downturn
Latitude Media: Hydrogen’s narrow pathway to positive climate impacts
Latitude Media: Why the Electric Hydrogen-Ambient merger is a sign of things to come
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Credits: Hosted by Shayle Kann. Produced and edited by Daniel Woldorff. Original music and engineering by Sean Marquand. Stephen Lacey is our executive editor.
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Catalyst with Shayle Kann
Investor Shayle Kann is asking big questions about how to decarbonize the planet: How cheap can clean energy get? Will artificial intelligence speed up climate solutions? Where is the smart money going into climate technologies? Every week on Catalyst, Shayle explains the world of climate tech with prominent experts, investors, researchers, and executives. Produced by Latitude Media.
