In this episode we talk with two leading HR specialists, Bukky Osifeso and Cindy Macintos.  Bukky Osifeso has spent 20+ years shaping culture at companies like Netflix, Disney, and Amgen. Today, she leads TAG HR Consulting, helping teams build human-centered cultures that last.  Bucky shares her insights on leadership, burnout, and transformation along with Cindy Macintos who has  a decade of specializing in leadership and people development,  Cindy's tenure at Pinnacle Sports as Chief People Officer has been a journey of empowering teams and shaping a culture that thrives on diversity, equity, and inclusion.  We caught up with the two ladies backstage at the Next.io summit in Valetta, Malta in May 2025.