Hear the music mentioned on this episode in this playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6PGLp48eG5Vn6ujt4pcz26

Have you ever wondered how they get those perfectly round holes in donuts? Wonder no more! Give this episode a listen and all will be revealed.

But Gary and Jeremy also tackle some other hard hitting subjects when they talk about the rhythm of the algorithm, the creative process of the podcast, the collective mum, bulbous creations, Argentinian rock, Jeremy's job at Donut King, handbrakes, the industrial hole, the first albums you hear from a band being your favourite, and much more.

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