Welcome to the show! Make sure you don't miss my next free Masterclass Speak so they stay! You can register here:  https://www.captivatetheroom.com/stay/ General Overview Conversation Summary: The speaker discusses the difference between "reps" and "practice" when it comes to improving one's speaking and presentation skills. [22:27] She argues that practice, where one repeatedly rehearses and drills content, can actually be detrimental and lead to being disconnected from the material. [25:49] Instead, she advocates for a "reps" approach, where one integrates the desired speaking techniques and tactics into their daily routine and conversations. [23:38] This allows the skills to become more naturally integrated and accessible. Interviewee Background: The speaker is Tracy Goodwin, an internationally known voice expert and award-winning speaker who has taught hundreds of people around the world to improve their speaking and presentation skills. [29:25] Key Points The speaker is not a fan of traditional "practice" where one repeatedly rehearses content, as this can lead to being disconnected from the material and put the speaker in "retrieval mode" when delivering. [22:27] Instead, she advocates for a "reps" approach, where one integrates the desired speaking techniques and tactics into their daily routine and conversations. [23:38] Reps help the skills become more naturally integrated and accessible, rather than feeling like a separate "practice" activity. [23:37] The speaker believes that warming up before a big presentation is also not necessary if one has properly integrated the desired speaking skills through reps. [10:01] She suggests that each person has an optimal number of "practice" reps, often around 2-4, beyond which additional practice can be counterproductive. [14:57] Notable Quotes "I believe warm ups the same when these big names have walked up to me wanting to know about working with me, wanting to know information. [08:57] It doesn't even have to be big names. It could be anybody. Anybody blindside me? What comes out of warming up? [10:35] Why would I not want that in my muscle memory all the time?" (13:15) "I want you to stop telling yourself you have to practice. [26:29] I believe warm ups the same when these big names have walked up to me wanting to know about working with me, wanting to know information. [08:57] It doesn't even have to be big names. It could be anybody. Anybody blindside me? What comes out of warming up? [10:35] Why would I not want that in my muscle memory all the time?" (13:15) Kicker Quotes "I want my people to speak from the internal and be observers of the external." (28:44) Detailed Insights Main Arguments: Practice can lock in bad speaking habits and put the speaker in "retrieval mode" when delivering (13:15) Reps, where one integrates techniques into daily conversations, is a better approach than traditional practice (23:37) [23:37] Warming up before a big presentation is not necessary if one has properly integrated the desired speaking skills through reps (13:15) [10:01] Supporting Evidence: The speaker's own experience with her TED talk, where she exceeded her optimal "practice number" of 2-3 reps (14:12) [14:57] A case study of a student who only practiced her talk 2-3 times and delivered an outstanding performance (19:50) [14:57] Themes and Trends Recurring Themes: The importance of integrating speaking techniques into one's daily life through "reps" rather than isolated practice (throughout) The limitations of traditional practice and warming up approaches (13:15, 14:12) [10:39] Emerging Trends: The concept of an optimal "practice number" unique to each individual, often around 2-4 reps (19:50) [14:57] The idea of speaking from an "internal" place rather than relying on external cues (28:44) Interview Dynamics Interview Flow: The speaker starts by introducing the topic of "reps vs. [23:37] practice" and then goes in