Is the economy heading for a recession or just a slowdown? In this episode of CAIS Live Conversations: Building With Alts, Brad Walker sits down with Apollo Chief Economist Torsten Slok. Torsten breaks down why he sees a “Nike swoosh” recovery ahead—not  recession—and the three economic headwinds that could create opportunities in private markets. From his unconventional research process tracking everything from TSA checkpoint data to Broadway show attendance, to why he believes owning the S&P 500 may no longer mean diversification, Torsten shares macro insights driving decisions at one of the world’s largest alternative asset managers. Plus, discover why he wakes up in a church rectory and his upcoming adventure to Greenland. 

Chapters:
 
1. Economic Outlook & Recession Risk (11:49) 

2. The Student Loan Crisis (13:09) 

3. S&P 500 Concentration Risk (18:29) 

4. The Growth Story of Private Credit  (21:23)
 
5. Investment Strategy in Uncertain Times (27:29) 

6. Potential Alternative Investment Opportunities (25:00) 

7. Advisor Guidance (29:23)