In this episode of Cache Me if You Can, we speak with Drew Lohn, Senior Fellow at Georgetown’s Center for Security and Emerging Technology and former Director for Emerging Technology at the National Security Council. Drew has been ahead of the curve in debates on scaling laws, AI’s impact on cyber offense and defense, and the economic and political risks of extractive AI models. We discuss key factors that will determine the course of the global AI race beyond the usual discussions of building bigger models, and what policy choices can tilt the balance toward more secure, resilient AI.