In todays episode, Marcus sits down with Michelle Shirtcliffe—co-founder and CEO of Publica.

Michelle began her career in big agencies before launching Publica with her husband, Dan. Today, they lead a team tackling complex digital builds, creative strategy, and the kinds of challenges most agencies shy away from.

She shares how she navigates courageous conversations, why she hires people better than her, and what it takes to grow a business with your spouse—while staying married.

If you’re into straight-talking leadership or want a behind-the-scenes look at a creative agency, this episode’s for you.