Nadine shares her initial resistance to the program's principles and how she gradually participated despite internal misgivings. She underscores the toxic and limiting effects of the disease model of addiction that AA and NA propagate. Emphasizing self-trust, Nadine highlights the importance of trying alternative recovery methods, including harm reduction and psychedelic therapy. Throughout this episode Tara and Nadine advocate for a personalized, authentic road to recovery rather than a one-size-fits-all approach.