Today we're talking about Bitcoin design and how to make products people love. In this conversation, Erik and Skyler discuss the concept of design and its application in the Bitcoin space. They explore the misconception that design is solely about aesthetics and highlight its utilitarian nature. They also delve into the psychology behind design and the importance of creating pleasant and intuitive user experiences. The conversation then shifts to the role of designers in the Bitcoin space and the challenges they face, such as the tendency to prioritize technology over people. They emphasize the need for designers to put the user first and iterate quickly based on user feedback. In this conversation, Jacob, Skyler, and Erik discuss the importance of user feedback and iteration in the design process. They highlight the value of creating working mock-ups in tools like Figma and gathering user feedback before investing in development. They emphasize the need for designers to be open to user insights and to constantly learn from how people interact with their designs. The conversation also touches on the challenges of building businesses in the Bitcoin space and the importance of understanding the limitations and potential use cases of the technology. They also express excitement about the potential of AI in design and the organic growth of the eCash protocol. Follow Erik on Twitter: @uxerik_ Follow Skyler on Twitter: @skyler_fs