In this warm and generous conversation, we meet the duo behind Team Thursday: Loes van Esch and Simone Trum. Their collaborative studio in Rotterdam has shaped many precise typographic identities and books in the cultural field.

From shared kitchen table experiments to moving into a church with fellow creatives, Loes and Simone reflect on:

• How their friendship evolved into a 12-year-long design partnership;

• The joys and frictions of working as a duo - and why 'just keep going' became a guiding principle;

• Their views on lingering, and why sometimes it’s more efficient not to be efficient;

• And how typography, for them, is not just a tool but part of the book’s soul.

  
  

Whether you’re a student, designer, teacher, or book enthusiast, this episode is a generous insight into the layered world of collaborative graphic design.

This recording is made possible with the support of The Mondriaan Fund, L. van Heek Textiles BV, and Luminosity Lab.