Evan Starnes sits down with accessibility consultant, amateur radio operator, and co-founder of Philly Touch Tours, Austin Seraphin. They trace his journey from the Apple IIe and BASIC to Linux and open-source advocacy; revisit the “Eliza” moment that sparked a lifelong love of programming; and dig into why universal design beats retrofits and overlays every time. Austin shares memories of the Braille ’n Speak (and today’s BT Speak), the iPhone’s inflection point for accessible tech, and practical guidance for developers—ship with native controls, respect platform semantics, and test with screen readers. They close with the lasting impact of Philly Touch Tours and where to find Austin’s current consulting work. Contact Info Guest — Austin Seraphin: austinseraphin.net Aftersight (feedback & voicemails): feedback@aftersight.org | (720) 712-8856 Producer credits: Produced by Jonathan Price for Aftersight. Host: Evan Starnes. Show Credits Host: Evan Starnes Guest: Austin Seraphin Producer: Jonathan Price A Production of Aftersight Chapter Markers 00:00 — Cold open & show intro 00:32 — Guest setup: who is Austin Seraphin 02:37 — Early sparks: Apple IIe, Echo, and BASIC 07:29 — The “LIST” epiphany: Eliza source code moment 09:41 — From Apple IIgs to DOS and the early screen reader era 12:02 — Linux today: Arch, Slint, and accessibility trade-offs 14:24 — Braille ’n Speak to BT Speak: tools that shaped a generation 16:44 — iPhone 3GS and the mainstreaming of mobile accessibility 19:08 — Apps, color identifiers, and learning the new paradigm 21:33 — Teaching kids to code: Swift Playgrounds and beyond 23:55 — Philly Touch Tours: origin story and tactile learning 29:02 — Universal design in practice: chisels, ramps, and patterns 31:37 — Why “accessible from day one” beats retrofits 36:25 — Platforms compared: native controls vs. the web wild west 38:50 — Electron, performance, and the cost of abstraction 41:18 — Accessibility overlays: why quick fixes fail users 42:55 — Consulting reboot and where to find Austin 43:42 — Wrap-up, future episodes, and Aftersight CTAs