We reminisce about El Camino de Santiago, a backpacking walking pilgrimage in Spain, and our first time abroad together as friends. We also discuss how our environment can affect our understanding of nature and how different individual’s philosophical approaches affects environmentalism: should we “control” nature in order to improve it or allow nature to “move” us to action?

The documentary Teddy mentions in this episode is Biggest Little Farm. This is the second part of our guest episode with Teddy.

Suggested food pairing: Green Beans

This episode as produced and edited by Lonnie.