Today’s interview we delve deeper into systems thinking and flourishing systems in the infrastructure domain. I sat down with my fellow colleague Dr Jennifer Schooling who is the Director of the Cambridge Centre for Smart Infrastructure and Construction (CSIC), at the University of Cambridge. She is also an important lead academic at the centre for digital Built Britain where we both contribute our research towards national digital twin program. Jennifer is passionate about changing the way the infrastructure and construction industries view data, to become a vital asset in its own right, and as an engineering tool for tackling the key challenges facing our industry, including climate change, resource constraint and resilience.She reminds us that we often lose track of what is most important when building infrastructure, that we should keep in mind the value it delivers to societies.