Episode 22. In this episode, we hear from Jo. Jo uses a systems thinking approach to climate justice, which helps to identify the impact of individual and systems change. Jo picks up on some of the problems with the mainstream environmental movement, calling for it to centre social justice and inclusion. Jo shares some thoughts about the situation of climate refugees and the rise of eco-fascism. Jo also explains how imagination and futurism can be harnessed to envision and empower our communities and help create the worlds we want to see.