Our conversation with Clare is a call to action for all designers to zoom out and navigate our work with more adaptability. We talked about the importance of process, discovery time and learning over simply getting products to market. Clare shared her experience being let go in Peloton’s many layoff rounds and how intentional she was about taking time to evaluate where she wanted to land and moving through that process with integrity. As someone who has done the hard work of looking inward and finding areas of personal accountability, Clare is well positioned to recognize the inequities in the larger structure rather than internalizing them.  She’s learning constantly how to be more effective in enacting change through curiosity and shares some ways to try this. This chat is the healthy dose of nihilism and anti-capitalism that we needed and we learned a great deal from Clare’s even keel approach. WID book club coming soon?? We might just have to start one to catch up to Clare.