Welcome back to Beyond Personality Types, the podcast where we push past personality type labels and dive deep into practical frameworks for understanding human behavior. In this episode, hosts Linda Berens and Olivier Caudron continue their exploration of the Interaction Styles lens—a powerful approach for recognizing the subtle patterns that shape how we engage with the world and each other.
Today, you'll discover four distinct patterns of interaction: In Charge, Get Things Going, Chart the Course, and Behind the Scenes. Linda and Olivier break down what drives each style, from the need to accomplish and move things forward, to a passion for involving others, an instinct to anticipate and prepare, and the desire to integrate perspectives for the best possible outcome. They share real-life examples and team dynamics, making it easy for you to spot these patterns at work, at home, or within yourself.
Whether you’re a seasoned type practitioner or just starting your journey, this episode delivers practical wisdom and fresh insight to help you honor the diversity of interaction styles—so you can foster greater understanding, compassion, and effectiveness in any group. Let's go beyond type results and discover what truly shapes our behaviors and experiences.
00:00 Drive and Motivation in Leadership
03:45 Meeting Leadership and Team Dynamics
08:27 "Structured Planning and Focused Action"
10:22 Integrative Leadership Style Explained
15:14 Optimizing Platform for Best Results
19:06 Respecting Diverse Interaction Styles
1. Introduction to the Episode
Introduction of hosts (Linda Berens and Olivier Caudron).
Overview of the podcast’s purpose: moving beyond personality indicator results.
Framing of the episode: focusing on the Interaction Styles lens.
Promise of key takeaways: recognizing four patterns in interaction styles for increased self-awareness and understanding.
2. The Four Interaction Styles Framework: Big Picture Overview
Explanation of the Interaction Styles as practical patterns in behavior.
The importance of identifying the core needs and drives behind each style.
How recognizing these patterns can help in team environments and personal growth.
3. In-Depth Exploration of Each Interaction Style
a. In Charge Pattern
b. Get Things Going Pattern
c. Chart the Course Pattern
d. Behind the Scenes Pattern
4. Practical Implications: Observing and Applying Interaction Styles
How these patterns appear in team settings and group dynamics.
Recognizing interaction styles in public figures or news events.
The importance of looking beyond surface behavior to underlying drives.
Strategies for practitioners: respecting differences, timing, energy, and creating inclusive environments.
Value of honoring and leveraging interaction styles for group effectiveness and harmony.
5. Recap and Practical Wisdom for Practitioners
Summary of each pattern’s strengths and core needs:
In Charge: drive for results
Welcome back to Beyond Personality Types, the podcast where we push past personality type labels and dive deep into practical frameworks for understanding human behavior. In this episode, hosts Linda Berens and Olivier Caudron continue their exploration of the Interaction Styles lens—a powerful approach for recognizing the subtle patterns that shape how we engage with the world and each other.
Today, you'll discover four distinct patterns of interaction: In Charge, Get Things Going, Chart the Course, and Behind the Scenes. Linda and Olivier break down what drives each style, from the need to accomplish and move things forward, to a passion for involving others, an instinct to anticipate and prepare, and the desire to integrate perspectives for the best possible outcome. They share real-life examples and team dynamics, making it easy for you to spot these patterns at work, at home, or within yourself.
Whether you’re a seasoned type practitioner or just starting your journey, this episode delivers practical wisdom and fresh insight to help you honor the diversity of interaction styles—so you can foster greater understanding, compassion, and effectiveness in any group. Let's go beyond type results and discover what truly shapes our behaviors and experiences.
00:00 Drive and Motivation in Leadership
03:45 Meeting Leadership and Team Dynamics
08:27 "Structured Planning and Focused Action"
10:22 Integrative Leadership Style Explained
15:14 Optimizing Platform for Best Results
19:06 Respecting Diverse Interaction Styles
1. Introduction to the Episode
Introduction of hosts (Linda Berens and Olivier Caudron).
Overview of the podcast’s purpose: moving beyond personality indicator results.
Framing of the episode: focusing on the Interaction Styles lens.
Promise of key takeaways: recognizing four patterns in interaction styles for increased self-awareness and understanding.
2. The Four Interaction Styles Framework: Big Picture Overview
Explanation of the Interaction Styles as practical patterns in behavior.
The importance of identifying the core needs and drives behind each style.
How recognizing these patterns can help in team environments and personal growth.
3. In-Depth Exploration of Each Interaction Style
a. In Charge Pattern
b. Get Things Going Pattern
c. Chart the Course Pattern
d. Behind the Scenes Pattern
4. Practical Implications: Observing and Applying Interaction Styles
How these patterns appear in team settings and group dynamics.
Recognizing interaction styles in public figures or news events.
The importance of looking beyond surface behavior to underlying drives.
Strategies for practitioners: respecting differences, timing, energy, and creating inclusive environments.
Value of honoring and leveraging interaction styles for group effectiveness and harmony.
5. Recap and Practical Wisdom for Practitioners
Summary of each pattern’s strengths and core needs:
In Charge: drive for results
Welcome to another episode of Beyond Personality Types! Today, we’re diving into a fascinating and sometimes uncomfortable truth: a “disease” we all have—but probably don’t realize. Inspired by Erik Erikson’s insight, “The more you know yourself, the more patience you have for what you see in others,” host Olivier Caudron sits down with expert Linda Berens to uncover the mysterious condition known as the “be like me” syndrome.
You’ll hear how this mindset, which has each of us subtly expecting others to approach life just as we do, plays out in our daily interactions—from something as simple as loading the dishwasher to bigger generational clashes. Linda shares personal stories, professional insights, and practical wisdom on how recognizing individual differences—beyond just knowing your own personality type—can be transformative.
We’ll discuss why the urge for others to be like us is so persistent, how it can inadvertently cause harm, and most importantly, what steps we can take to build self-awareness, break free of the “be like me” trap, and truly appreciate the diverse ways people see the world.
Whether you’re a type practitioner or just curious about human behavior, this episode will help you expand your understanding, avoid common pitfalls, and bring more patience and compassion into your relationships. Let’s get started!
Find the transcript here
00:00 "Rethinking Personality Bias"
03:32 "Dishwasher Syndrome" Concept Explained
09:35 "Understanding Self and Others"
10:31 The Limits of Labeling
15:18 Avoiding Harm from Unqualified Experts
18:17 "Self-Discovery Through Certification"
21:34 "Diversity Awareness Beyond Personality Types"
23:49 Curious Until Next Episode
Overview of the podcast’s mission: going beyond just personality type indicators.
Introduction of host Olivier Caudron and expert Linda Berens.
Setting the stage: addressing the tendency to expect others to behave like ourselves—what Linda Berens calls the "Be Like Me Syndrome."
Historical background: How the concept came about in Linda’s early career.
The metaphor of the “dishwasher syndrome” as an everyday example.
Personal anecdote: dishwasher loading differences in Linda’s marriage.
Clarification: Even with similar personality preferences, individual differences persist (e.g., Linda and her husband’s work and talents despite both being INTPs).
Self-awareness: The role of noticing unconscious expectations.
Strategies for development:
Learning about individual differences.
Recognizing and appreciating skills others have that you may not.
Using typology frameworks to identify and accept diverse patterns.
Importance of moving beyond “just knowing your own type” to understanding and embracing differences in others.