Welcome back to Beyond Personality Types, the podcast where we push past personality type labels and dive deep into practical frameworks for understanding human behavior. In this episode, hosts Linda Berens and Olivier Caudron continue their exploration of the Interaction Styles lens—a powerful approach for recognizing the subtle patterns that shape how we engage with the world and each other.
Today, you'll discover four distinct patterns of interaction: In Charge, Get Things Going, Chart the Course, and Behind the Scenes. Linda and Olivier break down what drives each style, from the need to accomplish and move things forward, to a passion for involving others, an instinct to anticipate and prepare, and the desire to integrate perspectives for the best possible outcome. They share real-life examples and team dynamics, making it easy for you to spot these patterns at work, at home, or within yourself.
Whether you’re a seasoned type practitioner or just starting your journey, this episode delivers practical wisdom and fresh insight to help you honor the diversity of interaction styles—so you can foster greater understanding, compassion, and effectiveness in any group. Let's go beyond type results and discover what truly shapes our behaviors and experiences.
00:00 Drive and Motivation in Leadership
03:45 Meeting Leadership and Team Dynamics
08:27 "Structured Planning and Focused Action"
10:22 Integrative Leadership Style Explained
15:14 Optimizing Platform for Best Results
19:06 Respecting Diverse Interaction Styles
1. Introduction to the Episode
Introduction of hosts (Linda Berens and Olivier Caudron).
Overview of the podcast’s purpose: moving beyond personality indicator results.
Framing of the episode: focusing on the Interaction Styles lens.
Promise of key takeaways: recognizing four patterns in interaction styles for increased self-awareness and understanding.
2. The Four Interaction Styles Framework: Big Picture Overview
Explanation of the Interaction Styles as practical patterns in behavior.
The importance of identifying the core needs and drives behind each style.
How recognizing these patterns can help in team environments and personal growth.
3. In-Depth Exploration of Each Interaction Style
a. In Charge Pattern
b. Get Things Going Pattern
c. Chart the Course Pattern
d. Behind the Scenes Pattern
4. Practical Implications: Observing and Applying Interaction Styles
How these patterns appear in team settings and group dynamics.
Recognizing interaction styles in public figures or news events.
The importance of looking beyond surface behavior to underlying drives.
Strategies for practitioners: respecting differences, timing, energy, and creating inclusive environments.
Value of honoring and leveraging interaction styles for group effectiveness and harmony.
5. Recap and Practical Wisdom for Practitioners
Summary of each pattern’s strengths and core needs:
In Charge: drive for results
Welcome back to Beyond Personality Types, the podcast where we push past personality type labels and dive deep into practical frameworks for understanding human behavior. In this episode, hosts Linda Berens and Olivier Caudron continue their exploration of the Interaction Styles lens—a powerful approach for recognizing the subtle patterns that shape how we engage with the world and each other.
Today, you'll discover four distinct patterns of interaction: In Charge, Get Things Going, Chart the Course, and Behind the Scenes. Linda and Olivier break down what drives each style, from the need to accomplish and move things forward, to a passion for involving others, an instinct to anticipate and prepare, and the desire to integrate perspectives for the best possible outcome. They share real-life examples and team dynamics, making it easy for you to spot these patterns at work, at home, or within yourself.
Whether you’re a seasoned type practitioner or just starting your journey, this episode delivers practical wisdom and fresh insight to help you honor the diversity of interaction styles—so you can foster greater understanding, compassion, and effectiveness in any group. Let's go beyond type results and discover what truly shapes our behaviors and experiences.
00:00 Drive and Motivation in Leadership
03:45 Meeting Leadership and Team Dynamics
08:27 "Structured Planning and Focused Action"
10:22 Integrative Leadership Style Explained
15:14 Optimizing Platform for Best Results
19:06 Respecting Diverse Interaction Styles
1. Introduction to the Episode
Introduction of hosts (Linda Berens and Olivier Caudron).
Overview of the podcast’s purpose: moving beyond personality indicator results.
Framing of the episode: focusing on the Interaction Styles lens.
Promise of key takeaways: recognizing four patterns in interaction styles for increased self-awareness and understanding.
2. The Four Interaction Styles Framework: Big Picture Overview
Explanation of the Interaction Styles as practical patterns in behavior.
The importance of identifying the core needs and drives behind each style.
How recognizing these patterns can help in team environments and personal growth.
3. In-Depth Exploration of Each Interaction Style
a. In Charge Pattern
b. Get Things Going Pattern
c. Chart the Course Pattern
d. Behind the Scenes Pattern
4. Practical Implications: Observing and Applying Interaction Styles
How these patterns appear in team settings and group dynamics.
Recognizing interaction styles in public figures or news events.
The importance of looking beyond surface behavior to underlying drives.
Strategies for practitioners: respecting differences, timing, energy, and creating inclusive environments.
Value of honoring and leveraging interaction styles for group effectiveness and harmony.
5. Recap and Practical Wisdom for Practitioners
Summary of each pattern’s strengths and core needs:
In Charge: drive for results
Welcome to Beyond Personality Types, the InterStrength podcast where we challenge what you think you know about personality. In today’s episode, host Olivier Caudron and expert Dr. Linda Berens go deeper than simple labels like “introvert” and “extrovert.” Instead of boxing people in, they explore the rich history and real meaning behind these terms—how they started as ways to describe where your mental energy is focused, not your whole identity. Whether you’re a type practitioner or just fascinated by personality, you’ll learn why seeing people through a holistic lens—beyond traits and stereotypes—matters more than ever. Join us as we uncover how understanding cognitive processes can free us from limiting assumptions, and support a more nuanced, empowering view of what makes each of us unique.
00:00 Exploring True Personality Insights
04:28 Understanding Myers' Dichotomy Creation
06:52 Understanding Personality Beyond Stereotypes
12:13 Exploring Introversion vs. Extroversion
14:21 Understanding Extroversion's Duality
17:27 Extraversion vs. Introversion Misconceptions
20:35 Debunking "Ambivert" Typology
25:30 "Embrace Unique Personalities"
1. Introduction and Purpose of the Episode
Overview of the podcast’s goal: going beyond personality type labels.
Questioning if labeling someone as an introvert or extrovert truly captures personality depth.
Intent to challenge stereotypes and oversimplifications in type theory.
2. Historical background of Introversion and Extraversion
Jung’s early exploration of extroversion and introversion.
Jung’s evolving model: from simple types to cognitive functions (perceiving and judging functions).
The transformation of extraversion/introversion from nouns to adjectives in type theory.
3. Differentiating Jung’s Ideas from Modern Test-Based Approaches
Myers’ adaptation for the MBTI (Myers-Briggs Type Indicator).
Forced choice dichotomies in testing (e.g., party vs. theater preference).
Shift toward seeing extroversion/introversion as stand-alone traits in popular usage.
4. The Holistic versus Trait-Based Perspective on Type
Limitation of viewing extraversion/introversion as isolated, fixed labels.
Introduction to holistic, systems-based thinking (pattern view).
Contrasting traits model (e.g., the Big Five) with holistic type patterns.
5. Problems and Harm Caused by Stereotyping
Negative effects of labeling (boxing people in, reinforcing stereotypes).
Examples of how context and situation can make someone appear more or less extroverted.
Importance of avoiding reductionist approaches in practice.
6. Precise Use of Type Language
The value of using adjectives: “extraverted what?” or “introverted what?”
Emphasis on the eight functions (e.g., extraverted intuiting, introverted sensing) instead of simple introvert/extrovert labels.